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Post by Cloud on Jun 29, 2008 10:56:38 GMT -5
but does it really? ? how does that prove anything?....someone could have made us think that we're thinking these things, when really it's their dream and their dreaming about making us think that we think therefore we are. How can you ever know? How do we know that someone who is making us dream all of this really exists?
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Post by sheik on Jun 29, 2008 17:32:08 GMT -5
ok maybe i'm confusing this, i meant in my previous post that we DID exist, but our lives aren't really the way we think they are, it could all be our imagination, a dream, when our real body is lying, inanimate, as it has been for all our lives
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Post by Cloud on Jun 29, 2008 18:00:42 GMT -5
ok maybe i'm confusing this, i meant in my previous post that we DID exist, but our lives aren't really the way we think they are, it could all be our imagination, a dream, when our real body is lying, inanimate, as it has been for all our lives Why would we be dreaming up this reality? It's not making sense to me because your saying that we are dreaming all this s*** up but, what happens when we die in the dream? Do we wake up?
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Post by sheik on Jun 30, 2008 4:06:58 GMT -5
ok maybe i'm confusing this, i meant in my previous post that we DID exist, but our lives aren't really the way we think they are, it could all be our imagination, a dream, when our real body is lying, inanimate, as it has been for all our lives Why would we be dreaming up this reality? It's not making sense to me because your saying that we are dreaming all this s*** up but, what happens when we die in the dream? Do we wake up? lol haven't you seen matrix? (the 1st) If your mind is convinced enough that something happened to you, it really reacts to it. It's like people under hypnosis, who are told they are being burned somewhere where the guy is just putting a finger, and the skin actually gets red and reacts like a normal burn. It's pretty impressive. So whatever happens 2 u in your "dream", happens to your real body, so if you think you die, your brain really stops working, and you die.
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Post by Cloud on Jun 30, 2008 10:20:47 GMT -5
Why would we be dreaming up this reality? It's not making sense to me because your saying that we are dreaming all this s*** up but, what happens when we die in the dream? Do we wake up? lol haven't you seen matrix? (the 1st) If your mind is convinced enough that something happened to you, it really reacts to it. It's like people under hypnosis, who are told they are being burned somewhere where the guy is just putting a finger, and the skin actually gets red and reacts like a normal burn. It's pretty impressive. So whatever happens 2 u in your "dream", happens to your real body, so if you think you die, your brain really stops working, and you die. Oh I see. Now it is making sense to me. But are you trying to say that machines have taken over the world since who knows win, and that our bodies are an energy source for them?
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Post by sheik on Jun 30, 2008 13:03:36 GMT -5
yea that's the story in matrix. they have everybody lying all of their lives in those and they have kilometers and km of these little capsules, with thousands of inanimate, dreaming bodies, withlots of wires, and they live off the energy of the people, its a really cool idea, you should really watch the movie!
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Post by zeldamaster on Jun 30, 2008 18:59:23 GMT -5
your brain can tell you whatever it thinks, and when you're in your sub-conscious (however you spell that) you think it's true, that's why dreams feel so real. There are no rules in dreaming....that would contradict it being a dream.... also.... you don't really KNOW that, is what i'm saying. It's a nice thought, but you don't KNOW 500% that it's the absolute truth. YES absolutly beyond a shadow of a doubt....us not existing is well...impossible....i'm totally sure there is nothing to create doubt and proff that says we do...i've stated it previously
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Post by Cloud on Jun 30, 2008 19:22:17 GMT -5
yea that's the story in matrix. they have everybody lying all of their lives in those and they have kilometers and km of these little capsules, with thousands of inanimate, dreaming bodies, withlots of wires, and they live off the energy of the people, its a really cool idea, you should really watch the movie! I've seen all three.
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Post by salapro on Jun 30, 2008 19:35:16 GMT -5
your brain can tell you whatever it thinks, and when you're in your sub-conscious (however you spell that) you think it's true, that's why dreams feel so real. There are no rules in dreaming....that would contradict it being a dream.... also.... you don't really KNOW that, is what i'm saying. It's a nice thought, but you don't KNOW 500% that it's the absolute truth. YES absolutly beyond a shadow of a doubt....us not existing is well...impossible....i'm totally sure there is nothing to create doubt and proff that says we do...i've stated it previously NO! no one knows if anything is the absolute truth! you can say that 2+2=4. But is it really? That's just a rule that man made up...not...well...i don't know....I mean what is 2? what is 4? what is a f**king +?!?!?!?!? seriously....these are all just like well-known rules. these rules didn't always exist....(do they exist?!?!?) god damn this is weird...the places my mind is going right now....or is it?!? I think I better stop before I go completely crazy... <<<< that's what I feel like right now...l.o.l.
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Post by Cloud on Jun 30, 2008 19:42:33 GMT -5
YES absolutly beyond a shadow of a doubt....us not existing is well...impossible....i'm totally sure there is nothing to create doubt and proff that says we do...i've stated it previously NO! no one knows if anything is the absolute truth! you can say that 2+2=4. But is it really? That's just a rule that man made up...not...well...i don't know....I mean what is 2? what is 4? what is a f**king +?!?!?!?!? seriously....these are all just like well-known rules. these rules didn't always exist....(do they exist?!?!?) god damn this is weird...the places my mind is going right now....or is it?!? I think I better stop before I go completely crazy... <<<< that's what I feel like right now...l.o.l.
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Post by luigi on Jul 1, 2008 2:09:20 GMT -5
I'd really like to think we are here.
We think, so we are, right? The idea of this being a dream, or some sort of coma is frightning...
It seems to shatter the very planes of reality.
It's a tough question... With reasoning like this, is there no real logic? It seems like the stability of this "dream" would be unsafe... awaking would erase anybody who wasn't dreaming... or simply abandon them.
I have no idea.
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Post by zeldamaster on Jul 1, 2008 20:15:20 GMT -5
YES absolutly beyond a shadow of a doubt....us not existing is well...impossible....i'm totally sure there is nothing to create doubt and proff that says we do...i've stated it previously NO! no one knows if anything is the absolute truth! you can say that 2+2=4. But is it really? That's just a rule that man made up...not...well...i don't know....I mean what is 2? what is 4? what is a f**king +?!?!?!?!? seriously....these are all just like well-known rules. these rules didn't always exist....(do they exist?!?!?) god damn this is weird...the places my mind is going right now....or is it?!? I think I better stop before I go completely crazy... <<<< that's what I feel like right now...l.o.l. 2+2 will always equal 4 the laws of math are the most absolute thing there is...we didn't invent 2...we just named it...they've been ever constant since the beginning of time...we exist...complexity is not a componet of dreams...we are here because we have self awareness...u have no self awareness in a dream hince subconcious thought...that option is not possible ur being to abstract...saying how do we know its not possible? is like saying anything is possible...this universe has rules....its the way it will always be until the end of time...
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Post by salapro on Jul 1, 2008 22:52:58 GMT -5
I disagree but I'm not going to think about it anymore because it could possibly lead me into insanity. Just know that I disagree with you.
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Post by luigi on Jul 1, 2008 23:33:42 GMT -5
I disagree but I'm not going to think about it anymore because it could possibly lead me into insanity. Just know that I disagree with you. I see you've been taught the Art of Ending a Discussion... Let's see how Michael can argue against this logic. I'm laughing because Michael probably wanted an answer to argue back to... however now he must sit in this thread constantly hitting refresh and wait for an argument... all the while he feels as though he wasted his time because nobody considered his statement and loafs around doing nothing. Anyway... The only reason we really have the number two is to associate a group of objects, identical objects, it's just a number. The idea of the number two was thought up by man to label items in a sequence. It also helped develop early forms of currency. The principle was made up by man as well... because at one point there were men who did not grasp the concept... it helped spark trade because men had things other men wanted. Also... there has been several times where I fully had self control in a dream. Those are the dreams solely base around memory. If I remember it, did it not happen? Did I not have an awesome adventure in my dream? To tell me that it never actually happened would be impossible as well... Memory of an event that took place should be considered stuff I've went through. After all, did yesterday not happen? The Universe does have rules... but the only reason we have rules is so we can break them. Think for a second. How can you be certain with what you beleive when our race understands so little? Take gravity for example... it never truly existed. It developed over time. If at one point there when no objects in space, there couldn't have been gravity, because gravity is a pull from an object. Without an object, there is no gravity... today, with the correct mathematical equation, we could get around gravity under the correct circumstances, because as you've said... The idea for the number two existed the entire time, therefore the equation and solution to negating a universal law is almost impossible to say it doesn't exist... For example, it is possible to figure out to travel at light speed... It is possible to develop something to make lightspeed travel safe. It is possible to reach the end of the universe. It is possible to say we are nothing more than a figment of imagination, our perception of reality is as real as we make it. These laws do exist, but any law could exist with imagination of another human. It's impossible to that it doesn't... which is why you have to understand that proclaiming we do exist could very well be wrong... after all, if you focus on your dream with self realization, do you not make up the people you meet in your dream? Do you not make up the setting? Your location? Just because you have a free will doesn't mean that you exist... I've found that people in dreams are just as diverse and unpredictable as people in real life... I don't choose what they say... they think for themselves. You could very well have never existed. This energy you beleive in could very well have never exists as well... After all, when there was nothing in the universe, where did that come from? You can't get something from nothing. Hell, this message you're reading might have never existed, but you remember reading, don't you? Therefore it happened. It you have memory, you have did something. It doesn't have to be in your face reality, for after all, what is reality? I hope this makes sense to you... because the idea of sense was thought up as well... nothing has always really been.
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Post by salapro on Jul 1, 2008 23:57:49 GMT -5
I disagree but I'm not going to think about it anymore because it could possibly lead me into insanity. Just know that I disagree with you. I see you've been taught the Art of Ending a Discussion... Let's see how Michael can argue against this logic. I'm laughing because Michael probably wanted an answer to argue back to... however now he must sit in this thread constantly hitting refresh and wait for an argument... all the while he feels as though he wasted his time because nobody considered his statement and loafs around doing nothing. Anyway... The only reason we really have the number two is to associate a group of objects, identical objects, it's just a number. The idea of the number two was thought up by man to label items in a sequence. It also helped develop early forms of currency. The principle was made up by man as well... because at one point there were men who did not grasp the concept... it helped spark trade because men had things other men wanted. Also... there has been several times where I fully had self control in a dream. Those are the dreams solely base around memory. If I remember it, did it not happen? Did I not have an awesome adventure in my dream? To tell me that it never actually happened would be impossible as well... Memory of an event that took place should be considered stuff I've went through. After all, did yesterday not happen? The Universe does have rules... but the only reason we have rules is so we can break them. Think for a second. How can you be certain with what you beleive when our race understands so little? Take gravity for example... it never truly existed. It developed over time. If at one point there when no objects in space, there couldn't have been gravity, because gravity is a pull from an object. Without an object, there is no gravity... today, with the correct mathematical equation, we could get around gravity under the correct circumstances, because as you've said... The idea for the number two existed the entire time, therefore the equation and solution to negating a universal law is almost impossible to say it doesn't exist... For example, it is possible to figure out to travel at light speed... It is possible to develop something to make lightspeed travel safe. It is possible to reach the end of the universe. It is possible to say we are nothing more than a figment of imagination, our perception of reality is as real as we make it. These laws do exist, but any law could exist with imagination of another human. It's impossible to that it doesn't... which is why you have to understand that proclaiming we do exist could very well be wrong... after all, if you focus on your dream with self realization, do you not make up the people you meet in your dream? Do you not make up the setting? Your location? Just because you have a free will doesn't mean that you exist... I've found that people in dreams are just as diverse and unpredictable as people in real life... I don't choose what they say... they think for themselves. You could very well have never existed. This energy you beleive in could very well have never exists as well... After all, when there was nothing in the universe, where did that come from? You can't get something from nothing. Hell, this message you're reading might have never existed, but you remember reading, don't you? Therefore it happened. It you have memory, you have did something. It doesn't have to be in your face reality, for after all, what is reality? I hope this makes sense to you... because the idea of sense was thought up as well... nothing has always really been. thank you. It's like you put all my thoughts into sentences. I couldn't do that. Because, weirdly, my thoughts don't come to me neatly displayed in paragraph form. I just couldn't think correctly anymore....my mind was overwhelmed with thoughts and I couldn't figure out how to type them out. It was really hurting my head. so thank you for writing what I couldn't. Because I really did want to tell Mi Kull he was wrong, but my mind was so washed up from thinking so much...lol I don't know if you ever get that way or not. I do, infact it caused physical fatigue as well as mental fatigue because of the depths of thinking I had gotten myself into. I slept 10 hours last night and i'm still tired. However, now Mi Kull has your response to debate back to..... that's not good....lol
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